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Hey and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and I’m again right this moment with return visitor, Dr. Steven Gundry. And on this episode, we break down and debunk the myths of the Blue Zones. And I really like this subject as a result of Blue Zones, I really feel like, are sometimes quoted and cherry-picked for his or her information to attempt to promote totally different plans or dietary supplements or merchandise that folks have. And I really like that we bought to go deep on what the information really says about Blue Zones. And it may not be what you suppose. I definitely realized some issues about this that I didn’t know, together with some surprising statistics. I do know one in all these will completely shock you about one of many components that is likely to be contributing to longevity in sure Blue Zones. And it’s undoubtedly not gonna be what you suppose.
And Dr. Gundry breaks down how, whereas Blue Zones are sometimes used to advertise vegetarian or vegan or excessive grain diets, that’s not what the information really says. And there’s some distinctive different issues that stand out, together with consumption of sure uncommon meals that aren’t as widespread within the US however obtainable now within the US. We discuss their motion patterns and their day by day way of life habits, in addition to components and information round nutrient consumption and mineral consumption and why these are such necessary components.
And on the finish, he additionally shares his private non-negotiables and 80-20 of what he does day by day to take care of his well being and power and vitality whereas he nonetheless maintains a really lively profession, working with sufferers, writing books, and doing analysis as effectively. And also you’ve most likely heard of him, however Dr. Gundry is the founder and director of the Worldwide Coronary heart and Lung Institute, in addition to the Heart for Restorative Medication. He’s written many bestselling books, together with The Plant Paradox and the companions to that, The Longevity Paradox, The Vitality Paradox, his new Intestine Examine e-book, and lots of others. He has over 300 articles printed in peer-reviewed journals, and he focuses on a dietary method to lowering illness and reversing issues like autoimmune illness. In reality, his statistic for doing that together with his sufferers is over 94%. He’s been doing this work for many years, and he’s one of many actually robust voices on this house. I’m very excited to share him with you right this moment, so let’s leap into the episode. Dr. Gundry, welcome again. I’m so excited to have you ever again once more.
Dr. Gundry: Hey, it’s nice to be right here, thanks.
Katie: Nicely, I’m tremendous excited to leap into a subject that the title is likely to be somewhat surprising to individuals at first look, however I do know that you’ve quite a lot of information and expertise to assist this, and I’m tremendous excited to study from you right this moment. We’re gonna discuss debunking Blue Zones. So to begin broad and provides some background, I might love so that you can clarify what are the largest misconceptions in terms of Blue Zones as a result of I’ve been watching this information now for over a decade, and it looks like a number of individuals cherry-pick the information from Blue Zones to attempt to show their very own level or promote their very own product. And I do know you’re a really first rules pushed individual and you actually go to the foundation of issues. So what are these misconceptions in terms of Blue Zones?
Dr. Gundry: Nicely, as I discuss in that chapter within the, within the new e-book, Intestine Examine, the chapter is mainly entitled, Cigarettes, Cheese, and Meat: New ideas from the Blue Zones. Simon & Garfunkel used to say {that a} man hears what he needs to listen to and disregards the remainder. And to begin with, the Blue Zones, everyone wonders, effectively, the place the phrase Blue Zones come from? We’re speaking about quite a lot of these locations the place within the water or islands or within the Mediterranean, and possibly it’s the ocean.
Now the Blue Zones, there was a gathering in Montpellier, France, which is within the south of France, quite a few years in the past, and a researcher bought a blue-tip felt-markering pen and went to a map of the world and drew some circles round 5 locations that he thought, he thought had the very best longevity on this planet. And who could be within the viewers however Dan Buettner, who really has trademarked the time period Blue Zone. So I’ve to watch out after I say it or use it. And so Dan is a vegetarian, virtually vegan. And so he wished, I believe, to select these elements of the Blue Zone cultures that assist his perception system. And, sadly, whenever you really have a look at what individuals eat in these areas, that doesn’t assist his perception system one bit.
We may use Okinawa for an instance. The Okinawans, the one detailed description of the Okinawan weight-reduction plan was completed by the US navy in 1947 as an occupying nation. We took over Okinawa. And the one description of what Okinawans ate again then was by the US navy, primary. The Okinawans, 85% of their weight-reduction plan is a purple candy potato. The soy that they eat is miso. They hardly eat any rice, and so they definitely don’t eat some other grain merchandise. The opposite factor that’s distinctive concerning the Okinawans is they really eat an enormous quantity of bitter, spicy inexperienced leaves and spices. In reality, in Japan, they’re known as the spice eaters. So there’s nothing of their weight-reduction plan that helps the concept beans and rice is what makes them nice. It’s a candy potato. Sorry about that. The opposite factor that’s distinctive about Okinawa, in reality, as I discuss within the e-book, the Okinawans can’t develop rice as a result of their local weather doesn’t assist rice rising. So, oh effectively.
Now possibly essentially the most spectacular factual information comes out of Sardinia. So Sardinia is an Italian island. It’s mainly bought two populations, bunch of people that dwell down by the ocean, they’re fishermen, and a bunch of people that dwell up within the mountains, and so they’re goat and sheep herders. The one individuals who have longevity dwell within the mountains. The individuals who dwell down by the ocean don’t have longevity, fascinating sufficient. Uh, yeah. And the individuals who dwell within the mountains, what makes them have extra longevity is definitely the boys dwell so long as the ladies. Now, most individuals know that males typically dwell about seven years shorter lives than ladies. You guys are the stronger intercourse, we bought to confess it. However in that island, the boys really exceed the ladies’s longevity. Why is that? Nicely, about 95% of the boys smoke, and solely about 25% of the ladies smoke. And we see this repeated in a number of different Blue Zones, like Ikaria, Greece, like at Ciroli within the south of Italy. The boys are people who smoke, and the ladies aren’t a lot. And it’s really the nicotine in smoke that is without doubt one of the finest mitochondrial and couplers, longevity brokers recognized to mankind. Now, I don’t smoke. I don’t advocate smoking. The issue with nicotine, it’s addictive. Nevertheless it’s actually nice for longevity. And in reality, all of those longevity compounds that everyone’s speaking about, nicotinamide, riboside, NMN, niacinamide, nicotinic acid, that’s a cousin of nicotine and that’s really why they dwell a lot longer. Sorry about that Dan.
Now the opposite factor that’s fascinating, they’re sheep and goat herders. So day by day they’re consuming sheep and goat yogurt, sheep and goat cheeses, and as I’ve talked about in my final two books, these cheeses have two health-promoting properties. Primary, they’re loaded with medium-chain triglycerides. A 3rd of the fats in cheese and goat milk and cheeses are MCTs. Secondly, they’ve these compounds that I write about known as polyamines, which as soon as once more are extremely lifespan-promoting compound. So, a lot for the primary grain and bean concept there.
Nicely, let’s discuss a spot that does eat grains and beans, the Nicoya Peninsula of Costa Rica. Now, all of Costa Rica eat beans and eat corn, and that’s their state. And the Nicoya Peninsula does eat beans and corn. However what’s distinctive about this little half is that they’re sheep and goat herders, and so they eat quite a lot of sheep and goat cheese and goat yogurt, not like some other a part of Costa Rica. And there’s a very fascinating paper that I reference that the individuals in that area credit score the goat and sheep with their longevity, and so they suppose that the beans and corn are a adverse facet to their weight-reduction plan that they need to tolerate only for energy. Oh effectively, and we may go on and on.
Katie: Nicely, that’s definitely a far cry from the US the place these issues are simply tolerated for energy and easily getting sufficient energy to exist. That’s an enormous distinction than the breakdown of nutritionally what most individuals eat, definitely within the US. That’s completely fascinating to me that you simply stated smoking would possibly really be a consider longevity for these individuals as a result of I’ve seen a few of this information as effectively about nicotine itself, particularly if we will isolate it from smoking and the dangerous elements that include that. Would you say there is likely to be a time and a spot for nicotine consumption that’s not from smoking for longevity perspective?
Dr. Gundry: Nicely, once more, I believe my buddy Dave Asprey makes use of nicotine drops on a regular basis. He argues, maybe accurately, that each one nice concepts happened in a restaurant with smoking cigarettes and consuming espresso and having a glass of wine. And he may not be far off. However curiously sufficient, an island in Papua New Guinea, the Katawans, the Katawans smoke like fiends. They’ve by no means been recognized to have most cancers. There has by no means been a case of a stroke or coronary heart assault in these individuals. They usually eat a weight-reduction plan with quite a lot of tubers. They do eat quite a lot of coconut. However right here’s one other instance the place the smoking doesn’t appear to have the adverse impression that we discover.
And I am going into the e-book, and I’ve talked about it earlier than, one of many issues that most likely will get these individuals away with the dangerous results of smoking: Smoking causes oxidative stress, and oxidative stress makes use of up an important antioxidant known as vitamin C. And we’re one of many few animals that don’t make our personal vitamin C. We have now to ingest it. Vitamin C is crucial for knitting collagen again collectively. Collagen breaks on a regular basis, and people who smoke have extra wrinkles as a result of their collagen has damaged as a result of the injury of daylight and so they don’t have any vitamin C to place it again collectively, curiously sufficient. Similar approach people who smoke have very distinct patterns of coronary artery illness that will be prevented by vitamin C. So I believe the people who smoke in these long-lived areas have a weight-reduction plan that’s extremely wealthy in antioxidants in vitamin C. And there’s a really well-known examine in rats. There’s 5 genes that make enzymes that take glucose and convert it into vitamin C. So there’s 5 enzymatic steps. We have now 4 of these genes, however the fifth gene known as a ghost gene. It doesn’t work. And that’s why we don’t make vitamin C. In case you take rats and provides them the human gene sequence, rats make vitamin C, these rats will solely dwell half so long as a traditional rat. However in case you put vitamin C of their consuming water, in order that they’re consuming vitamin C all day, they’ll equal how lengthy a rat would usually dwell, supplying you with an thought of simply how necessary form of a steady provide of vitamin C is.
Katie: Wow, that’s fascinating as effectively. I might love to listen to out of your perspective what the information really says in what our key takeaways ought to be in terms of Blue Zones. It feels like definitely not grain and bean consumption in excessive quantities, probably root greens and tubers having a better place, particularly ones which can be wealthy in issues like polyphenols are like brightly coloured. I might guess additionally issues like regardless that they drink wine in lots of of those locations, wine could also be not needed for longevity by any means.
And I do know individuals additionally discuss components like usually they transfer extra, like individuals like goat and sheep herders most likely get way more motion than the typical American. It looks like they usually have nice group and/or areas with good mineral, extra minerals within the soil or the consuming water. However what out of your perspective are the important thing takeaways that we will really study after we have a look at the information with an correct lens that we will all study from?
Dr. Gundry: Nicely, I believe you’ve hit on quite a lot of them. Most of those dwell in hilly areas. Loma Linda, the place I used to be professor for a lot of my profession, which is the one Blue Zone in america. Loma Linda means lovely hill, curiously sufficient. And Loma Linda, the Adventist group, has the longevity. The remainder of Loma Linda doesn’t, curiously sufficient. One factor I would add, in Okinawa, the entire medical data, start certificates had been destroyed through the warfare. And one of many theories of why Okinawans had been so long-lived is that when individuals had been requested how outdated they had been, they made wild guesses, and there’s really no data. The opposite factor, notably in Europe, is that pensions are primarily based on dwelling individuals, and quite a lot of occasions, you want that pension to outlive, and so that you don’t declare deaths of people that have really died, so that you simply hold getting their pension. So, there’s all types of different issues.
I would add, one of many issues that shocked me after I was doing the analysis for Intestine Examine, is that folks with the longest lifespan of any nation on this planet is somewhat tiny nation between France and Spain known as Andorra. And it’s solely 150,000 inhabitants. And it’s approach up within the Pyrenees Mountains. And the Andorrans have a really, so they really have a lifespan of about 90 years, each women and men. Fairly good. The Andorrans are sheepherders, and so they eat sheep cheese and sheep yogurts, and so they eat sausages day by day. And also you go, effectively, wait a minute, that looks like, wait a minute, cheese and sausage is the important thing to longevity? Nicely, as I suggest in Intestine Examine, sure. It seems that sausages, historically ready sausages, have polyamines and the actually nasty sugar molecule in beef, lamb, and pork, and milk known as NU5GC, is eaten by the micro organism throughout fermentation of sausages. In order that explains why you may form of have your cake and eat it too. So you may have cheese and sausages like charcuterie and possibly dwell a very very long time.
Katie: That’s actually thrilling as effectively, as a result of definitely you additionally hear them say, you already know, in these areas they don’t eat meat, they don’t eat animal merchandise, and it looks like that can also be some cherry-picking of information and never an correct illustration. And particularly, I do know it’s more durable to seek out within the US, but it surely looks like there is likely to be one thing to including extra sheep and goat dairy merchandise to our weight-reduction plan, which definitely are very minimal in American weight-reduction plan consumption from my understanding.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, I imply, fortunately, we’re starting to see like plain goat yogurt. It’s a Dealer Joe’s. There are sheep yogurt merchandise now. Uh, it’s, in a approach, simple to seek out, uh, sheep cheeses, Manchego. You will get at Costco or Dealer Joe’s. You will discover pecorino cheese, which is a sheep cheese. Goat cheeses are somewhat more durable to seek out, however even Dealer Joe’s has goat brie. A number of firms are actually making goat mozzarella, goat cheddar. So individuals ought to search for these. They’ll make a distinction.
Katie: That’s nice to know. I’m curious in case you noticed any information, and possibly not, that is only a analysis subject for me proper now of mineral consumption in these areas or if their atmosphere naturally has extra of the minerals that we’re not getting in our weight-reduction plan, particularly if we’re consuming processed meals.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, one of many issues that I do quite a lot of YouTube movies about this, our soil is so depleted right here in america of minerals. In reality, there’s a Senate doc from 1939 that I’ve written about in earlier books that mainly says, our soil is so depleted, this was 1939, that we must eat constantly and nonetheless couldn’t make up for the shortage of minerals in our weight-reduction plan, consuming constantly.
The opposite factor that’s occurred in our soil, is glyphosate is an antibiotic, and it’s killed off the microbiome of the soil. And the microbiome of the soil was really chargeable for taking these natural compounds and minerals and placing them into the soil, primary, after which aiding the foundation system of the plant to take up these minerals into the plant. So, you already know, corn might appear like corn now, but it surely bears no relationship to what corn was 50 years in the past. A bit of broccoli might appear like broccoli now, but it surely actually has a 3rd of the minerals of fifty years in the past. So yeah, we’re profoundly mineral-depleted. And by chance, these Blue Zones, or these long-lived those who aren’t, quote, official Blue Zones, they dwell in distant areas, glyphosate has by no means come close to them. They farm the land or decide the land. They’re consuming greens and leaves which can be rising in eight ft of loam soil. And they also’re getting these vitamins which have lengthy been lacking in our weight-reduction plan.
Katie: Nicely, and primarily based on that statistic of we’d need to eat constantly and we nonetheless wouldn’t get sufficient minerals, it looks like there’s two keys there to spotlight. One is, in fact, avoiding glyphosate nonetheless attainable. And the second, it could look like that is additionally a theme in podcast company that I’ve had is we’re just about at a degree within the fashionable world the place we do need to complement with sure issues to achieve these minimal quantities. Like, sadly, we’re not at a degree the place we will get every little thing from meals, even when, such as you stated, we ate all day lengthy.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, and one of many theories that’s really come out of animal research is that animals, in the event that they’re disadvantaged of a selected nutrient, will constantly eat of what’s obtainable to them to get to this vital nutrient quantity of their physique. Issues that they might by no means think about consuming or an animal that doesn’t eat quite a lot of carbohydrates, however the carbohydrate that’s offered within the weight-reduction plan has these important minerals, the animal will go and eat these items till it will get what it’s searching for. I imply, I all the time observe my canines within the spring. They’re consuming younger shoots of grass. And I’m going, yeah, that’s fascinating. What are you guys doing that for? They’re not throwing up. They’re searching for younger shoots of grass. Nicely, and that’s the place all the most recent little bits of polyphenols and minerals are coming from. Canines are fairly sensible, too.
Katie: I believe that highlights one thing actually necessary as a result of I’ve questioned this for a very long time. We hear usually that Individuals particularly are overfed and undernourished. A number of years in the past, I switched from enthusiastic about energy and macros in any respect and checked out nutrient density in meals, particularly micronutrients. I consciously began upping my mineral consumption, and I seen that I used to be far much less hungry and that my physique appeared to be way more in tune with what it wished to eat. I’ve questioned if many of those issues we’re having within the US, in fact, are multifaceted, but it surely’s as a result of we’re so poor in a few of these micronutrients that our our bodies are craving further meals like canines would to attempt to hit these minimums for survival and if we may really profit ourselves by being much more aware in our mineral consumption and our nutrient consumption.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, completely. One of many research that I alluded to in earlier e-book was they took some, effectively, let me preface that. We all know that our microbiome determines quite a lot of what we’re searching for when it comes to energy and the types of energy we’re searching for. And one of many themes of the e-book, Intestine Examine, is we’ve primary, starved our microbiome as a result of we don’t eat any soluble fiber. And we’ve, you already know, genocided our microbiome as a result of we actively eat glyphosate, we actively eat antibiotics, virtually all of the meats that we eat are loaded with antibiotics, a brand new examine out two weeks in the past confirmed that each one quick meals meals have antibiotics in them. And glyphosate.
So in case you take regular volunteers in China and put them on a two-week water-only quick, and half the group will get 100 energy of prebiotic fiber, indigestible by us, however the meals for the intestine microbiome. The group that bought the prebiotic fiber on a water quick had completely no starvation for 2 weeks. The group that simply bought water had been actually hungry for a couple of week earlier than they adjusted. And I believe that confirms that mainly the microbiome was being fed, then sends textual content messages, these are literally postbiotics, to the mind saying, hey! We’re good down right here. You’ve completed your job. We’re completely happy. Don’t must go search for anything. Thanks very a lot. Let’s have an excellent day. And I believe that actually does communicate to the facility that we used to have in a wholesome microbiome that we fed what they wanted, like a tuber as an illustration, nice supply of prebiotic fiber, and we didn’t attempt to kill our microbiome day by day with what we ate.
Katie: Wow, that’s undoubtedly a hanging instance. And I might love to listen to in our previous couple of minutes, really, what your individual day by day habits and weight-reduction plan and foundational issues that you simply do day by day, your non-negotiables, your private 80-20 since you are nonetheless a really prolific author. You talked about you’re nonetheless seeing sufferers. You appear to have this enormous quantity of inside power and drive to enhance the world. So I might love to listen to what your private life appears to be like like for a minute and what your day by day non-negotiables are.
Dr. Gundry: Nicely, let’s see. Every day non-negotiable is I’ve to take our canines for a two-mile stroll, hike within the hills. That’s non-negotiable in accordance with the canines. Then I don’t eat breakfast for essentially the most half. In the course of the winter months from January by June, I don’t eat lunch both. I eat all my energy in a couple of two-hour window from 5 to seven at night time. Do I’ve to try this? No. I’ve been doing it now, I believe, for 25 years, so it appears to be working. In the course of the summer season, I form of again off from that.
There’s fairly good proof, and I talked about it in Intestine Examine, and I’ve up to now, that most likely in case you actually wished to make peace together with your intestine and promote longevity, a six-hour consuming window, might be optimum. So meaning an 18-hour fasting window. One of many issues I am going over and again and again in Intestine Examine is you must have downtime on your intestine wall to restore itself. It can not continuously be concerned in digestion and absorption of meals. It has to have restore. And you’d do that to a automotive, you’d do that to an airplane engine. The thought, the typical American eats 16 hours a day from the second we stand up to actually earlier than we go to mattress. And so there may be nearly no restore time for our intestine. And whereas there are quite a lot of superb causes to do time-restricted consuming, intermittent fasting, I believe one of many causes that’s missed by so many individuals is the necessity for restore of the wall of the intestine.
Years in the past, taking a look at, there’s a worm mannequin of longevity. The worm is C. elegans. And the worm mannequin of longevity, this mannequin has labored for each longevity selling polyphenol drug, et cetera, we all the time begin with this worm mannequin as a result of no matter works within the worm mannequin all the time works in increased organisms. So one of many fascinating issues is the worm begins to die. Because the wall of its intestine, and it has somewhat tiny digestive system, however the wall of its intestine is just one cell thick like ours. And as gaps seem within the wall of that worm’s intestine, the worm begins to die. The extra that wall will get destroyed, the sooner the worm dies. And that has had, and Hippocrates stated it 2,500 years in the past, all illness begins within the intestine, and all illness begins in a leaky intestine. So the actually intestine examine is all of us want a intestine examine to advertise the integrity of the wall of artwork. And all of the methods of how to try this that I’ve realized now in 25 years of working with my sufferers is in that e-book. And in order that’s what I do. I take quite a lot of dietary supplements. I’m a man who a very long time in the past stated dietary supplements make costly urine. They don’t. You’re proper, our meals, our soil is so depleted that you simply simply can’t sustain with what we ought to be getting in our weight-reduction plan with out supplementing.
Katie: And I do know you talked about that statistic, which appears so staggering to me as effectively, that folks eat a median of it in a 16-hour window within the US. And I believe I additionally learn that the typical, we predict we simply eat three meals a day, however out of your intestine’s perspective, any time energy enter the physique and need to be dealt with, that’s an consuming occasion. And I believe the newest one I noticed was it was one thing like 17 occasions a day, one thing is getting into your physique that your intestine has to cope with. So it’s really such as you stated, we’re not getting any intestine relaxation. We’re bombarding our guts, usually with issues which can be harming it, definitely not usually with issues which can be serving to it. So possibly a few of these shifts like specializing in these nutrient-density, including in some sheep and goat cheeses. I do know you could have dietary supplements that assist with the restoration course of when you have leaky intestine. And I do know you go tremendous deep on this subject in Intestine Examine on how you can actually resolve the issues at a intestine stage. Nevertheless it looks like these easy methods usually get ignored as a result of they’re easy, and I see that sample again and again. However the nice information is that our our bodies, after we can do these easy issues, know how you can heal and so they wish to, and they’ll. And so I really like that you simply give individuals their energy again by making that so accessible on this e-book and really in your entire books, which I’ll ensure that are linked within the present notes. However Dr. Gundry, I all the time study a lot from you. It’s all the time an absolute pleasure to get to speak to you, and I’m so grateful on your time. Thanks for being right here right this moment.
Dr. Gundry: Nicely, Wellness Mama sustain the great work.
Katie: Nicely, thanks. And thanks as all the time to all of you for listening and sharing your most useful sources, your time, your power, and your consideration with us right this moment. We’re each so grateful that you simply did. And I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the Wellness Mama podcast.
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